Gen II Wagz

Something for markmcrs to aspire to i think, almost made me want a wrx

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/...50HP_193091.htm

YUSLO

everyone loves a good gobby hahaha
if you dont understand the cars the gobbstopper.
2.0l ftw haha in this case anyway

grug

I think that is the one Rodger Clark build - Basically a 2000 model WRCar without engine restrictions.

Im pretty sure its a repost too.

vaccine

except it runs Nos and a gt35R

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dja

Hot shi7 makin ya bounce. Nice

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Yeah, been around for a while...

Roger Clark Motorsport, the "Gobstopper"

Mean bit of kit!

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Uses V3/4 heads.

Marv

Quad fuel rails and twin FPRs for MAXIMUM POWAAAAAAHSS!!!!111one

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nice flocking dash

hav_lova

Has anyone got the link to another forum with the build thread for this car i can remember someone posting it last time...

grug

Google is your friend.

http://www.rogerclarkmotorsport.co....topper.asp?id=1

rec01l

All i can say is how much of a bag of fun would this thing be to drive!!

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fatcat67

I like the fact they've kept a few things simple like just kept the standard pedals (no pedal box), and Master Brake and clutch cylinders. Still looks a bit street, even still runs a "standard?" intake manifold.
That sump dosen't look too hard to knock up Al especially after that V8 intake you did!!!!!

moley

same intake setup as mine but his has an extra idler, nice

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dtrally

Indeed. It's much closer to what a DIY effort would be than a full on WRC of the era. Standard crossmembers, hubs and front control arms for instance. I think it uses a KAPS 6 speed as well perhaps? Massive cost to go the WRC items for minimal benefit. Even the cage looks fairly minimal in comparison. I like the concept of it. Powerful and light, purposeful yet not money's no object World Championship car. Even with 400 horsepowers it would be dynamite!

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grug

Gearbox is stock subaru 6 speed with Modena gear set with dogs and sequential selection adaption.
For the strength that this box obviously has for what would costs about $20,000, I cant really understand how a WRCar gear box is worth $50,000 or more?

dtrally

1) It's homologated for WRC (the Modena isn't)

2) It's magnesuim case, therefore lighter.

3) It's a different design that does away with the transfer gears and runs the tailshaft direction reversed, therefore lighter and simpler.

4) It's eletcro-pneumatically shifted.

5) Active diffs (until they were outlawed)

But yes, I agree that it's perfectly suitable for the application, and thousands cheaper. Personally I'm not a believer in H pattern boxes that are converted to sequential unless it's done like the KAPS (with a whole new purpose designed rear housing). I'd live with the Modena Doggy and H pattern for reliability.

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grug

I would have thought it would have been in the WRCs best interest, when they were looking to cut costs before everyone packed up ship and left, to make it mandatory that gearboxes were required to use the stock casing with stronger gearing. Sure, its not the absolute best design idea but it would do the job and save a shit load of money in equipment and especially research and development.

Oh well, too late now.

dtrally

That's where Group 'N' has finally got to after many years of wasting money breaking stock gears. I cannot understand why group N still has to use a 32mm restrictor, they should be allowed at least the 34mm that WRC uses, or open the turbo to standard dimensions but use genuine pump fuel. ie; 98 or 100 ron, not $7 a litre 'pump' fuel they use now.

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BJM

Umm... those photos are very old...

These are more up to date...







Umm... no fellas, thats a magnesium WRC manifold, certainly not a stock item...



Umm... They've changed things a little since those first photos were taken. I'd love to have these crossmembers and hubs as stock but I don't think it's going to happen any time soon...





Rear end is WRC spec

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SRA

Pfft.

http://team-zen.co.uk/blog/?page_id=15

58.534 First time at Tsukuba.

grug

I agree on the use of pump fuel. In all seriousness, if they (being the FIA) want people who have talent but not huge budgets to get into rallying then they need to seriously look at some of the bullshit regulations they have in place.
Pump fuel even at today's prices could be had for less than a quarter of what competitors 'have' to pay for regulation fuel. Thats a massive financial difference.
If power output is an issue, do as you say, increase the turbo restrictor size.

Perhaps only allow front and rear off the shelf strut braces, ban seam welding or chassis modifications of any sort and put the emphasis on the manufacturer to deliberately incorporate stronger chassis into their cars if they wish to remain competitive in motor spot.
IMO, that would save a lot of money in car preparation.

At the end of the day, the every day joe can build a car for quite a lot less than a group N rally car is 'worth' (being about $200k if I remember rightly for an '09 subaru) and get quite close, if not better performance. Hell, you could build an RS Turbo up with a STi donk, 6 speed, decent turbo, Link/motec, sway bars, braces, coil overs, plated diffs for under 20k and be highly competitive in a national rally - if you were allowed certain liberty's.


/ off thread topic, but meh...

moley

Umm... no fellas, thats a magnesium WRC manifold, certainly not a stock item...
haha meant designed the same way, im not loaded..

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Another favourite.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR6z28TjKcQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8s7xDBWIeo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFVMbT1JXN8